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Poster: tammytroot Date: Nov 2, 2008 6:00pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

I don't know anything about the technical or the copyright aspects of the Google material posted here, but I can say that 90% of the scans I've come across are very poor quality compared with the Microsoft scans.

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Poster: beautysmom Date: Nov 16, 2008 11:16pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

I too have been trying to use some of the texts posted from Google Books by tpb, and am totally appalled by the lack of any kind of quality in the submissions. Missing pages, inverted or blurred scans, and so forth. This is not preserving books for the future, this is just utterly irresponsible "make work" that has little or no value. How very disappointing, given the quality that TIA has always been noted for in the past!

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Poster: DE2164 Date: Nov 24, 2008 11:05am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

I agree that that most all Google material is garbage.

Fortunately the descriptions have the fact they are Google scans and you can avoid them. Though if you have the thumbnails turned on you can see that the book is of very low quality too.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Nov 24, 2008 9:35pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

I think Google has been getting into trouble with copyright, could it be that they are degrading the quality of their scans on purpose, as a means of heading off legal action by pay-for-text publishers?

Anyway, thanks to you and others for the headzup on Google scans.

Peter in NZ

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Nov 25, 2008 6:26am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

Google knows it has quality control problems and more recently it has improved - but there are still a lot of older poor quality scans floating around. I could see Google releasing those older scans to Internet Archive with the idea that in the future they will be replaced with better quality ones. It might help explain why the Google watermark was removed. But just speculation.

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Poster: DE2164 Date: Nov 25, 2008 9:46pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

Sadly, they remain to pollute the IA servers and waste space. Not to mention the pain of having to use the advance seach feature just to avoid having to dig through them.

Yes, the files that Google have made in the last 8 months are much better. Still 50% batter quality is well below the quality expected from IA.

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Poster: lotusgreen~ Date: Jan 14, 2009 9:20am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

i get so upset with tpb because whomever that is keeps uploading picture books without the pictures. at least they act as an index of sorts to google books because the google ones do have the images included.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jan 14, 2009 3:08pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

Interesting. Can you post a URL for example? I'd like to see it (or not in this case).

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Poster: lotusgreen~ Date: Jan 14, 2009 8:27pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

yes. okay -- here's a book on google:

http://books.google.com/books?id=4WEMAAAAYAAJ&;printsec=frontcover&dq=%22a+friend+or+two%22&ei=yrpuSYTkMo3WlQTTsJGCCw&client=firefox-a#PPP6,M1

and here is tpb's version:

http://www.archive.org/stream/afriendortwo01nesbgoog

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jan 14, 2009 9:13pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

The book main page: "A Friend or Two"
http://www.archive.org/details/afriendortwo01nesbgoog

Click on "HTTP", then click on the .pdf file, and it will bring up the color version.

I see what you mean about the Flip Book and DjuVu versions are in B&W, looks like a conversion problem, or policy decision..

I don't know if it's related, but there is also a B&W version both on Google and Internet Archive:

http://www.archive.org/details/afriendortwo00nesbgoog
http://books.google.com/books?id=askCAAAAYAAJ&;oe=UTF-8

Interesting book btw.

This post was modified by stbalbach on 2009-01-15 05:13:18

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Poster: lotusgreen~ Date: Jan 14, 2009 10:01pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

oh--you know what i just realized?: if you do not click on http but click directly on pdf you're immediately taken to the google page for the book with color examples of any illustrations. you download from there.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jan 15, 2009 5:46am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

Yeah.. but the Flip Book should still be in color. This forum is the place to report. Since this thread is old and down the list I may re-post a summary as a new post.

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Poster: lotusgreen~ Date: Jan 15, 2009 8:30am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

thanks!

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Poster: lotusgreen~ Date: Jan 14, 2009 9:19pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

well whaddaya know! i forgive tpb everything!

but one question, if i may: is there a way to see the color version here before downloading the pdf?

i followed your instructions, but it downloaded the pdf; is there a way to see it?

and i wonder if there's a way to suggest to somebody that it would be great if these had color flipbooks....

thank you!

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jan 14, 2009 9:26pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

The idea of Flip Book is exactly that, so you don't have to download the PDF. So yeah. It looks like a bug or error that should be reported. Good catch.

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Poster: lotusgreen~ Date: Jan 14, 2009 9:48pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

thanks! :^)

should i report it? (to whom???) or are you going to? (forgive me but i don't know if you work here or what....)

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Poster: m.r.b. Date: Nov 9, 2008 12:43am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb

"I don't know anything about the technical or the copyright aspects of the Google material posted here, but I can say that 90% of the scans I've come across are very poor quality compared with the Microsoft scans."

I downloaded all three of the Google copies of Poetics. Only one of them was without errors and even there the quality was marginal. It seems like the only reason to choose a Google scan over another version for a smaller file size. The quality is awful. I cannot imagine how they think people are going to pay them for copies of out-of-print works if these scans are representative of the quality.